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2015-6-20 10:17 楚越
新航似开发新技术直飞美国

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2015-06-20

  (新加坡19日讯)新航目前正和空客欧洲集团、波音公司会谈开发新型技术允许飞机能从新加坡直达美国,并尽可能获得更多利润。

  2013年时,新航叫停了从新加坡飞往纽约的19小时直达航线,改为在途中多中转5个多小时。
  据彭博社报道,新加坡航空总执行长吴俊鹏表示他们非常想尽快实现直达航线,但目前还没有这种能获得较多商业利润的长距离直达航线。

  振兴新加坡直飞纽约的航线,能够帮助新航在航线系统上击败它在亚太区的强劲对手,包括国泰航空公司和澳洲航空公司。
  四引擎飞机运作利润少

  但根据分析师们表示,这种每日直飞的全商务舱航线,例如从新加坡飞往洛杉矶、纽瓦克和新泽西,由通常的四引擎飞机进行运作是没有多少利润可图的;纽瓦克航线长达16,700公里,洛杉矶航线的长度也超过了14,000公里;出于经济利益着想,公司在2013年不得不停止运营这几条长直达航线。

  直到双引擎飞机的出现,才得以打破新航飞往美国时不得不经停香港、首尔、东京或莫斯科等地的尴尬。
  吴俊鹏暂时还未透露新航飞往美国的哪一条航线会使用新技术来克服中转困局。

  但由于“第五航权”的欠缺,新航没有可用的中间点段进行相关操作。

  第五航权又称为第三国运输权,即市场准入权授权国允许承运人的定期国际航班在授权国下载来自第三国的客、货,或从授权国装载客、货飞往第三国。

2015-6-20 14:30 管绍洪
航班获利要靠客源

从新加坡到美国有那么多客源吗?

很奇怪这条新闻不是新加坡媒体发的。

2015-6-20 14:50 楚越
回复 #2 管绍洪 的帖子

新航最赚钱的就是这些长途(到美,到英)的航线,因为在高空长飞行基本上很省飞机油,

Bloomberg Business : Singapore Air Wants to Bring Back Nonstop Flight to U.S.


Fifth Freedom

The Singapore carrier currently flies to four U.S. cities - - Los Angeles and San Francisco via Hong Kong, Seoul and Tokyo; and New York via Frankfurt and Houston with a stop in Moscow. Singapore Air flies A380s and Boeing 777s to the U.S.

Cathay has services to five U.S. cities, including direct flights to San Francisco.

Goh didn’t identify the U.S. cities for direct flights by Singapore Air in future.

“There is lack of viable intermediate points,” Goh said. “That’s largely because the countries concerned are not really giving us the rights to operate what we call the fifth freedom from those points to the U.S.”

The fifth freedom right in aviation allows an airline to fly between two foreign countries on a flight originating from or ending in its own country.

Singapore Air is looking for ways to address these issues. One of them is increasing its partnership with other airlines, including Air New Zealand Ltd. and Virgin Australia Holdings Ltd., to offer more destinations.

The airline also plans to develop hubs outside Singapore to give it a broader network connectivity. It has a carrier with Tata Sons Ltd. in India and a budget venture in Thailand.

“We’re among the earlier adopters of new technology,” Goh said. “That certainly puts us in a very good position to compete and also to take advantage of those technology to serve new points.”

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2015-6-20 14:54 楚越
TODAY / 今日报
Saturday 20 June 2015

Singapore Airlines wants to bring back non-stop flight to US

SINGAPORE — Singapore Airlines is impatient to restore nonstop flights to the US.

The airline is in talks with Airbus Group SE and Boeing on developing a plane with new technology that would allow it to fly non-stop to the US profitably, Singapore Air chief executive officer Mr Goh Choon Phong said. In 2013, the carrier stopped the 19-hour trip from Singapore to New York, adding about five more hours to travel between the cities.
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“We, of course, want it as soon as possible,” Mr Goh said in an interview with Bloomberg Television’s Ms Haslinda Amin. “There isn’t really a commercially viable aircraft that could fly non-stop.”

Reviving non-stop flights to the US will help the carrier fill a gap in its network that’s benefiting Asia-Pacific rivals Cathay Pacific Airways and Qantas Airways. The all-business-class daily flights from Singapore to Los Angeles and Newark, New Jersey, ended as the routes were not profitable with aircraft that flew with four engines, analysts said.

“It’s really a question of economics,” said Mr Richard Aboulafia, an analyst at Fairfax, Virginia-based aerospace consultant Teal Group. “The last generation of very long-range jets, particularly the A340-500, was simply not efficient, which is what killed Singapore’s Newark service.”

The carrier stopped the service using a four-engine, 100-seat Airbus A340-500 in November 2013 after ending flights to Los Angeles from the city-state a month earlier. Using an aircraft with two engines would be more economical than one with four because it’s designed for efficient long-range flights, Mr Aboulafia said.

Singapore Air shares gained 0.7 per cent to S$10.63 as of 11am in the city.

DOUBLE ENGINES

The Newark service was about 16,700km long, while the Los Angeles flight was more than 14,000km.

Airbus and Boeing both offer planes with twin engines. Airbus’s A350, which entered commercial service in January with Qatar Airways, can travel up to 8,200 nautical miles (15,100km) nonstop.

Boeing’s 777-200LRs can fly 8,625 nautical miles. The 777X, an upgraded model that the US company is pushing to be the No 1 choice among large wide-body jetliners, will be designed to fly more than 9,300 nautical miles, according to its website. The 777X isn’t in operation yet.

Qantas’s flight from Sydney to Dallas Fort Worth, a journey of about 13,800km, using an Airbus A380 superjumbo, is the current longest nonstop commercial route by distance. Qantas replaced the Boeing 747 jumbo for that route starting September last year.
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FIFTH FREEDOM

The Singapore carrier currently flies to four US cities — Los Angeles and San Francisco via Hong Kong, Seoul and Tokyo; and New York via Frankfurt and Houston with a stop in Moscow. Singapore Air flies A380s and Boeing 777s to the US.

Cathay has services to five US cities, including direct flights to San Francisco.

Mr Goh didn’t identify the US cities for direct flights by Singapore Air in future.

“There is lack of viable intermediate points,” Mr Goh said. “That’s largely because the countries concerned are not really giving us the rights to operate what we call the fifth freedom from those points to the US.”

The fifth freedom right in aviation allows an airline to fly between two foreign countries on a flight originating from or ending in its own country.

Singapore Air is looking for ways to address these issues. One of them is increasing its partnership with other airlines, including Air New Zealand and Virgin Australia Holdings, to offer more destinations.

The airline also plans to develop hubs outside Singapore to give it a broader network connectivity. It has a carrier with Tata Sons in India and a budget venture in Thailand.

“We’re among the earlier adopters of new technology,” Mr Goh said. “That certainly puts us in a very good position to compete and also to take advantage of those technology to serve new points.” BLOOMBERG

2015-6-20 14:57 楚越
BUSINESS TIMES Sat, Jun 20, 2015

SINGAPORE] Singapore Airlines Ltd (SIA) is impatient to restore nonstop flights to the US.

The airline is in talks with Airbus Group SE and Boeing Co on developing a plane with new technology that would allow it to fly nonstop to the US profitably, SIA chief executive officer Goh Choon Phong said. In 2013, the carrier stopped the 19-hour trip from Singapore to New York, adding about five more hours to travel between the cities.

"We, of course, want it as soon as possible," Mr Goh said in an interview with Bloomberg Television's Haslinda Amin. "There isn't really a commercially viable aircraft that could fly nonstop."

Reviving nonstop flights to the US will help the carrier fill a gap in its network that's benefiting Asia-Pacific rivals Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd and Qantas Airways Ltd. The all-business-class daily flights from Singapore to Los Angeles and Newark, New Jersey, ended as the routes were not profitable with aircraft that flew with four engines, analysts said.

"It's really a question of economics," said Richard Aboulafia, an analyst at Fairfax, Virginia-based aerospace consultant Teal Group. "The last generation of very long-range jets, particularly the A340-500, was simply not efficient, which is what killed Singapore's Newark service."

The carrier stopped the service using a four-engine, 100-seat Airbus A340-500 in November 2013 after ending flights to Los Angeles from the city-state a month earlier. Using an aircraft with two engines would be more economical than one with four because it's designed for efficient long-range flights, Mr Aboulafia said.

The Newark service was about 16,700 kilometres long, while the Los Angeles flight was more than 14,000 kilometres.

Airbus and Boeing both offer planes with twin engines. Airbus's A350, which entered commercial service in January with Qatar Airways, can travel up to 15,100 kilometres non stop.

Boeing's 777-200LRs can fly 8,625 nautical miles. The 777X, an upgraded model that the US. company is pushing to be the No 1 choice among large wide-body jetliners, will be designed to fly more than 9,300 nautical miles, according to its website. The 777X isn't in operation yet.

Qantas's flight from Sydney to Dallas Fort Worth, a journey of about 13,800 kilometres, using an Airbus A380 superjumbo, is the current longest nonstop commercial route by distance. Qantas replaced the Boeing 747 jumbo for that route starting September 2014.

The Singapore carrier currently flies to four US cities - Los Angeles and San Francisco via Hong Kong, Seoul and Tokyo; and New York via Frankfurt and Houston with a stop in Moscow. SIA flies A380s and Boeing 777s to the US.

Cathay has services to five US cities, including direct flights to San Francisco.

Mr Goh didn't identify the US cities for direct flights by SIA in future.

"There is lack of viable intermediate points," Mr Goh said. "That's largely because the countries concerned are not really giving us the rights to operate what we call the fifth freedom from those points to the US." The fifth freedom right in aviation allows an airline to fly between two foreign countries on a flight originating from or ending in its own country.

SIA is looking for ways to address these issues. One of them is increasing its partnership with other airlines, including Air New Zealand Ltd and Virgin Australia Holdings Ltd, to offer more destinations.

The airline also plans to develop hubs outside Singapore to give it a broader network connectivity. It has a carrier with Tata Sons Ltd in India and a budget venture in Thailand.

"We're among the earlier adopters of new technology," Mr Goh said. "That certainly puts us in a very good position to compete and also to take advantage of those technology to serve new points."

BLOOMBERG

2015-6-20 18:25 水滴
回复 #3 楚越 的帖子

[size=3][color=DarkGreen][quote]原帖由 [i]楚越[/i] 于 20-6-2015 14:50 发表
新航最赚钱的就是这些长涂(到美,到英)的航线,因为在高空长飞行基本上很省飞机油。。。[/quote]
是长途,不是长涂。
长涂是浙江一个镇名。[/color][/size]

2015-6-20 18:29 楚越
回复 #6 水滴 的帖子

更正了 谢谢

。。。。。。

2015-6-20 18:55 韩山元
还有好多楚越都不改正,改正也有选择的吗?

2015-6-21 04:01 水滴
回复 #7 楚越 的帖子

[size=3][color=DarkGreen]别客气。:victory: [/color][/size]

2015-6-21 09:14 韩山元
最好劝楚越有错必纠

[quote]原帖由 [i]水滴[/i] 于 2015-6-21 04:01 发表
别客气。:victory:  [/quote]

最好劝楚越有错必纠,不是选择性的更正,这样华文才会有进步。

2015-6-21 10:48 水滴
回复 #10 韩山元 的帖子

[size=3][color=DarkGreen][quote]原帖由 [i]韩山元[/i] 于 21-6-2015 09:14 发表
。。。有错必纠,不是选择性的更正,这样华文才会有进步。 [/quote]
网络是交流的平台,是大家互相学习的的地方,而不是一定要争个你死我活的地方。:)

不论什么语文,我们都不能保证尽善尽美。有错必纠才会有进步,但也要对方觉得那是个“错”才会去更正,否则纠缠下去,只会扯离主贴讨论的话题,到了其中一方没有台阶下时,就完全达不到纠正的效果了。

不知你认为我的说法对吗?请多多指教,谢谢!:handshake [/color][/size]

2015-6-21 11:51 kitan89
[quote]原帖由 [i]楚越[/i] 于 2015-6-20 10:17 发表
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2015-06-20

  (新加坡19日讯)新航目前正和空客欧洲集团、波音公司会谈开发新型技术允许飞机能从新加坡直达美国,并尽可能获得更多利润。

  2013年时,新航叫停了从新加坡飞 ... [/quote]
[quote]新航似开发新技术直飞美国
[/quote]

狂妄自大!是新航自己开发新技术吗?新航能开发出新技术吗?这是楚越的中文程度低劣!还是居心叵测?新航是和波音和空客谈商,让他们开发新技术!别往自己脸上贴金,你楚越的脸皮太厚了,子弹都打不进!还你说是新加坡人,我都替你脸红!
:lol :lol

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2015-6-21 13:58 水滴
回复 #12 kitan89 的帖子

[size=3][color=DarkGreen][quote]新航似开发新技术直飞美国[/quote]
那应该是取自新闻的原稿标题。《新航拟开发新型技术 能从新加坡直飞美国》
见:[list]新民网:[url=http://biz.xinmin.cn/2015/06/20/27923431.html][color=Blue]《新航拟开发新型技术 能从新加坡直飞美国》[/color][/url]
南洋网:[url=http://www.nanyang.com/node/707766?tid=461][color=Blue]《新航拟开发新型技术 能从新加坡直飞美国》[/color][/url][/list][/color][/size]

2015-6-21 17:30 楚越
回复 #12 kitan89 的帖子

其实对这两航空公司来说 这技术已成熟 只是他们只用在军用上而已

所以新航只是提出 军转民用的要求 若美国/欧盟有关方面点头 就可以下定单

那航空公司只是需要他们的宗主国 1)容许军转民用 2)容许卖给新加坡这友邦国

那新航就可以在这市场有新开的局面了 省油省时间的航班 就可以开出更优廉的价位
这飞机除了载客之外 也会同时载货, 航空公司另一大市场 就是这载货的空运服务

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2015-6-21 19:31 Cadence88
直飞美国早就有了;是在2013年停止直飞服务的。翻译有问题。

2015-6-21 19:37 韩山元
楚越是死不认错的。

[quote]原帖由 [i]水滴[/i] 于 2015-6-21 10:48 发表

网络是交流的平台,是大家互相学习的的地方,而不是一定要争个你死我活的地方。:)

不论什么语文,我们都不能保证尽善尽美。有错必纠才会有进步,但也要对方觉得那是个“错”才会去更正,否则纠缠下去,只 ... [/quote]

你的意见至善,但是以我与楚越交手两三年的经验,我完全不觉得楚越是肯承认自己的错误的人,你指他写(打)错别字,他也知道是错,却要狡辩,更可笑和可恶的是,他说“我就是狡辩”。

水滴网友也许不知道,楚越说过,他来这里就是要辩胜的,他把辩论的胜负看得很重。甚至多次声称他辩胜了,自己参加辩论,自己又当裁判,已是这个网站的一大笑话。

2015-6-21 19:41 韩山元
楚越先生讲直飞讲得天花乱坠

[quote]原帖由 [i]Cadence88[/i] 于 2015-6-21 19:31 发表
直飞美国早就有了;是在2013年停止直飞服务的。翻译有问题。 [/quote]

如果是这样,楚越先生讲得天花乱坠的直飞,岂不是废话连篇?

2015-6-21 19:57 楚越
回复 #17 韩山元 的帖子

韩老可是记者 为何读东西那么粗心

关键词在于 双引擎飞机 与 四引擎飞机

1) 在以前可以从新加坡直飞美国 是用四引擎飞机 但是缺点在于很浪费飞机油 所以利润不高

2)后来有用双引擎飞机 但需要在中途加油(日本,韩国或香港)这很浪费时间 而且空运货物 得不到第三方的方便 有苦难言

3)当今是要开发 更长途的双引擎飞机 不需要在中途加油 (就如军用大飞机那样 )在民用飞机上是首创 利润很高 非常省飞机油与省飞行时间

很难理解吗?

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2015-6-21 20:14 韩山元
直飞美国不是什么新鲜的事。

[quote]原帖由 [i]楚越[/i] 于 2015-6-21 19:57 发表
韩老可是记者 为何读东西那么粗心

关键词在于 双引擎飞机 与 四引擎飞机

1) 在以前可以从新加坡直飞美国 是用四引擎飞机 但是缺点在于很浪费飞机油 所以利润不高

2)后来有用双引擎飞机 但需要在中途 ... [/quote]

我不是航空专家,我是就新闻论新闻,当你楚越对直飞美国高谈阔论时,网友指出这不是什么新鲜的事,有错吗?

2015-6-21 20:21 楚越
回复 #19 韩山元 的帖子

我也不是航空专家 但我对汉语的理解能力也差不多 还对比英文的同题新闻

2015-6-21 20:27 韩山元
只是现在探讨直飞的方式而已,

[quote]原帖由 [i]楚越[/i] 于 2015-6-21 20:21 发表
我也不是航空专家 但我对汉语的理解能力也差不多 还对比英文的同题新闻 [/quote]

你楚越不会以为直飞美国是新鲜事吧?只是现在探讨直飞的方式而已,对吗?

2015-6-21 20:50 楚越
回复 #21 韩山元 的帖子

我只关心新航保持他的市场竟争能力 有独有的新技术飞机 就能比较比竟争者更好的位子一段时间 也是省钱赚钱更好的良策

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2015-6-21 21:01 Cadence88
新航不可能有独有的新型飞机。

2015-6-21 21:05 楚越
回复 #23 Cadence88 的帖子

关键在于若您肯出钱开发 那在一段时间里 只卖给您 保护您的利益一段时间

再说在亚洲 也没几个国家需要这类型长途飞机种类

若新加坡有这新机种 那区域的人与货自然会以新加坡为中心 到美国的选项

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2015-6-21 21:32 韩山元
新航不可能单独生产这种新型飞机

如果我没有看错的话,新航不可能单独生产这种新型飞机,新加坡没有飞机制造业。

2015-6-22 08:43 楚越
回复 #23 Cadence88 的帖子

您忘了几年前空客为新加坡新航首创A380的定单之事吗?虽然买家是 新航 阿航 澳航,新航愿意拿首批


空中巴士A380(Airbus A380)是法國空中巴士公司研发的双层4发动机巨型客机。該型號的原型機於2004年中首次亮相。首架A380客機於2005年1月18日在圖盧茲廠房舉行出廠典禮,並於4月27日試飛成功。同年11月11日,客機首次跨洲試飛抵達亞洲的新加坡。2007年10月15日客機首先交付給新加坡航空公司,在10月25日首次載客從新加坡樟宜機場飛抵澳洲的悉尼國際機場。

A380客機是全球载客量最高的客机,打破波音747統領近37年的世界載客量最高的民用飛機紀錄。當採用最高密度座位安排時,可承载893名乘客。在三級艙配置下(頭等4艙—商務艙—經濟艙)可承载555名乘客。其客艙實用面積達478平方公尺(5,145平方英尺),比波音747-8大超過40%。不過,載重量最大的民用飛機仍是前蘇聯烏克蘭安托諾夫設计局製的安-124夢想式運輸機[2]。A380的航距為15,700公里(8,500海里),足以不停站由杜拜飛往洛杉磯。

Nicknamed Superjumbo,[80] the first A380, MSN003, (registered as 9V-SKA) was delivered to Singapore Airlines on 15 October 2007 and entered service on 25 October 2007 with flight number SQ380 between Singapore and Sydney.[11][81] Passengers bought seats in a charity online auction paying between $560 and $100,380.[82] Two months later, Singapore Airlines CEO Chew Choong Seng stated the A380 was performing better than both the airline and Airbus had anticipated, burning 20% less fuel per passenger than the airline's 747-400 fleet.[83] Emirates' Tim Clark claims that the A380 has better fuel economy at Mach 0.86 than at 0.83,[84] and that its technical dispatch reliability (a measure of reliability) is at 97%, same as those of Singapore Airlines. Airbus is committed to reach the industry standard of 98.5%.[85]

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2015-6-22 09:15 韩山元
楚越抄这些资料想说明什么?

[quote]原帖由 [i]楚越[/i] 于 2015-6-22 08:43 发表
您忘了几年前空客为新加坡新航首创A380的定单之事吗?虽然买家是 新航 阿航 澳航,新航愿意拿首批


空中巴士A380(Airbus A380)是法國空中巴士公司研发的双层4发动机巨型客机。該型號的原型機於2004年中首 ... [/quote]

楚越抄这些资料想说明什么?我头脑不灵活,但至少知道一点,新航只能向外国买飞机,自己没有制造飞机。最先买A380(Airbus A380),并不是最先造A380(Airbus A380)。最先抢购到苹果最新款的手机,并不等于最先制造这款手机。

2015-6-22 09:21 楚越
回复 #27 韩山元 的帖子

我们下定单就好了 飞机制造在他们外国就好了 最多我们拿到此类飞机型号的专属区域维修权 也对我们飞机维修工业是大贡献

2015-6-22 09:26 韩山元
这是商业行为,不值得大吹大擂。

[quote]原帖由 [i]楚越[/i] 于 2015-6-22 09:21 发表
我们下定单就好了 飞机制造在他们外国就好了 最多我们拿到此类飞机型号的专属区域维修权 也对我们飞机维修工业是大贡献 [/quote]
能买下最先进的外国飞机,这对于新航的发展是有帮助的,但我认为这是商业行为,不值得大吹大擂。

2015-6-22 09:31 楚越
回复 #29 韩山元 的帖子

这只是普通谈论 何是“大吹大擂”? 不明白?

更不明白为何有这些普通的科技词 在此需要再三解释 ?

2015-6-22 09:33 韩山元
不能保证别人没有。

[quote]原帖由 [i]楚越[/i] 于 2015-6-22 09:31 发表
这只是普通谈论 何是“大吹大擂”? 不明白?

更不明白为何有这些普通的科技词 在此需要再三解释 ? [/quote]

你没有大吹大擂,不能保证别人没有。

2015-6-22 09:47 楚越
回复 #31 韩山元 的帖子

请拿上文的证据 不是信口开河吧?

[[i] 本帖最后由 楚越 于 2015-6-22 09:50 编辑 [/i]]

2015-6-22 10:12 韩山元
希望你以后信口开河的记录不会增加

[quote]原帖由 [i]楚越[/i] 于 2015-6-22 09:47 发表
请拿上文的证据 不是信口开河吧? [/quote]

你这回没有信口开河,那很好,每一次发言都信口开河,那还了得?希望你以后信口开河的记录不会增加。

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